it s not about dancing being dangerous itsabout being obnoxious,annoying your fellow concert goers and blocking the aisles,which like it or not need to be clear in case of an emergency,like i said earlier the twilers and the "wild " dancers are welcome and they always relegated themselves to the areas that wer open so they had room to do their thing without bothering anyone else,some people think a show is an excuse to have a free for all its not its a minicommunity and we all need to get along in it,this aint rocket science.as for vending ,vending to get from show to show is okay but the people who basicly show up to just sell and take money out of the community arent welcome,just like scalpers if you dont buy from them they will go away. i weap for anyone who is paying 200 bucks for a ticket,you may think its worth it too YOU but you hurt EVERYONE else when you do it.doing the right thing isnt always easy thats why evil does such a booming buisness
I have to ask you to let go of the ticket thing. Its not the "wrong thing" to spend your hard earned money the way you see fit. Stop acting like you are a better person than me or someone else cuz you wont Pay more than face for a ticket. That has nothing to do with being good or bad, right or wrong. I "weep" for you if you judge someone on what price they pay for a concert ticket. Im sure you realize how absurd and childish that is, right? Not trying to get nasty man, but really ive already said i buy tickets however i need to if i want to go. So everytime you make these statements i take them as you personally telling me what a horrible person i am for spending my own money how i please. Does that make sense? Do you think that is ok?
if you dont like my opinions dont read them the reason you take it personal is deep down you know its wrong your just trying to justify it by repeating it over and over. i will not be censored by you or anyone else
You shouldn't have to worry about your opinions being censored. Your opinions make good sense. If you come here trying to rationalize your support of ticket scalpers you're going to be met with resistance. If the run at the Beacon doesn't point out there's a problem then I don't know what would. I think there's a consensus here that there was some back room deals being made to allow certain commerce to happen. Unfortunately Beacon management, ticketmaster, stub hug (and scalpers in general), as well as the nitrous mafia don't share the ideals of our scene, and see us as easy pickings. Just like the NYPD does.
Sad, but true, you get taken to jail if you're smoking a joint on the street, but if you want to fall down sucking nitrous on city property, being vended by a bunch of goons shouting "ice cold, get 'em here" that seems to be ok with the NYPD/city of New York. Please, don't support nitrous mafia and ticket scalpers.
I'm not trying to censor anybody, I asked politely, you declined, end of story. Relax. I can't censor or make anyone do anything. And I sure as shit do not need to justify what I do with my money to anyone. I will leave one more thought on the subject. If you consider scalping so bad, why do you not place the blame on the band? You must realize that they know this will happen if they play small places, especially in NY. They played MSG on a Friday n Saturday and there was plenty of tickets for all. Even at Radio City there may have been enough tickets. The fact is, the band understands that this is a business, they have for a long time now. They set up an 8 night run, knowing that tickets would be at a premium. One reason why TXRoads has adopted a ticketing system like at Levon's Rambles. The factis I am not placing blame on the band or anybody else. Business is supply and demand. If you think Furthur or GD should live in a special bubble outside of that, then why shouldn't the band themselves? They sure sell enough shit, so it's obvious they are not against making a buck. So until you want to place some of the blame on the band, you do not make any sense in your argument. If I enable scalping, then the band does as well to a greater degree. Do you disagree?
Just a quick comment about this scalping issue, though I know it wasn't the main intent of this thread. During the New Year's run this past December, my friend went up to the ticket/will call window area to linger around because he was trying to sell some extra tickets he had for that run (combo of online tix and mail order good luck). He was shocked when Furthur's front of house manager came out through one of the front side doors, met with a dude, exchanged money for a handful of tickets, and went back inside. The dude went back to trawling the line, looking for people who needed extra tickets and when my friend saw him and realized he was a scalper, he put two and two together. Make of it what you will. To us it appeared that someone closely tied to the Band's management was fueling the scalpers with whatever extra tickets were on hand the day of. If that was the case, and I can't think of any other reason for a Band rep to take money from an obvious scalper and then give him a handful of tickets, then the Band is complicit in this nonsense too, even if Bobby and Phil might not know about it.
The point is, the Band and all its worker bees makes a shitload of money off of all of us, and while we'd like to think there is some higher hippy-esque guiding principles in place, I think that there's a lot of stuff that happens, management enabling scalpers to name but one, that goes on that Bobby and Phil might not even ever hear about. And if they did, would they crack down on it? Would they fire the offending person(s)? This thing is getting so big that there's no way they can keep their fingers on the pulse of every aspect, that's why they have managers who run various arms of the operation. But what do we do, as a community, when we see corruption within their own organization? Is anyone in the Band going to believe what my friend saw and do anything about it? (That's a rhetorical question, BTW, I'm not expecting an answer).
Nothing would surprise me anymore in terms of who's taking a little more off the top (the band themselves excluded), who's palm is getting greased, etc.
As far as the band and their "worker bees" making a shitload of money off us, I wouldn't make that a blanket statement. There are plenty of people who work for the band that make a decent salary, but they aren't getting rich, and sometimes their job is pretty demanding. I would agree that if the band were aware of their personnel engaged in practices as you described they would be terminated.