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furthur640
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#146927 1 year, 1 month ago
furthur640 wrote:
DarkEyes wrote:
Hey Tom Banjo.....AKA Allen Sun,
You are a FUCKING liar. I saw security toss you last night from the floor for dancing like an asshole. You are as graceful as a bull in a china shop. Your quote "I will walk alone, along the Black Muddy River" is perfect for you as you have no friends. I saw your Facebook page and go figure every picture you are by yourself.

STOP DANCING LIKE AN ASSHOLE!!!!!!


Right on darkeyes been to well over 200+ shows and never got kicked out, not even threatened to be kicked out. Last night 4/13 was off the hook see you all tonight


That dude got kicked out again really
kevin
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#146936 1 year, 1 month ago
furthur640 wrote:
furthur640 wrote:
DarkEyes wrote:
Hey Tom Banjo.....AKA Allen Sun,
You are a FUCKING liar. I saw security toss you last night from the floor for dancing like an asshole. You are as graceful as a bull in a china shop. Your quote "I will walk alone, along the Black Muddy River" is perfect for you as you have no friends. I saw your Facebook page and go figure every picture you are by yourself.

STOP DANCING LIKE AN ASSHOLE!!!!!!


Right on darkeyes been to well over 200+ shows and never got kicked out, not even threatened to be kicked out. Last night 4/13 was off the hook see you all tonight


That dude got kicked out again really


again ????
there goes credibility
furthur640
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#146959 1 year, 1 month ago
again i been 200+ and never tossed you have to do something wrong to get tossed we all know this
wlewis
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#146960 1 year, 1 month ago
i'm sorry but if he was booted again that is just fucking hilarious
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deadegad
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#147034 1 year, 1 month ago
Wow 2x TomBanjo and 4 more shows to go. You still have time to get a third strike, you know, like a convicted felon. You go dude!

Still the Beacon is to small for this band if doing a 'Residency.'

I hope they figure out something better for next year like all tickets come form GDTS. Sure scalpers will mail to.

Maybe a line up at the door the day of?
Helen A Bucket
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#147043 1 year, 1 month ago


out of touch for who? I was quoting the band, not your free loading self. If you are as happy being in the lot as opposed to being inside the show, you have made your point loud and clear. If you need to "acquire the goods which mark you as loyal to the band", you have made your point loud and clear.


Evidently not, since none of that is what I said or meant.

I really appreciate your attitude. You don't know anything about me, but I assure you, you would withhold the insults. Who's a freeloader? I acquire my tickets fairly and freely, and no, I am quite unhappy on the few instances where I have been left out.
I'm perfectly aware of what you're quoting. I saw it on '95 tour, and it was, as I said, a kick to the gut. If I had taken this seriously, I would never have been a Deadhead.

I don't need to "acquire goods, etc" but a lot of people do. There are unique crafted items available on Shakedown and no where else, and these items go out into the world to enhance the culture and promote the band. The money made there, my point was, filters to the band and is arguably the economic fuel which kept the Dead so sustainable for so long. There were of course other aspects that I won't go into.

Barlow said, "If you make art, and people don't understand it, it's worthless. If people start understanding it, how much of the ownership belongs to them?" That sums up how I feel about the issue. The band, and the fans, are symbiotic. Vending fans are contributing a great deal of their earnings to the band. More than that, a marketplace has always been a center of culture, and Shakedown is a lot of what distinguishes us from fans of other types of music. It's ours. We have a stake in it, and in the choices the band makes. Ultimately, it is our energy and resources that allow it happen at all, and yes, my "freeloading self" has spent thousands of dollars on tickets. I have also been gifted tickets in wonderful ways, and those are most special memories.

As far as the band's sentiments...well, there was a lot of dark stuff going on then, and they were right to be alarmed. They were musicians staring down a potential Altamount at every stadium show that year. They were upset and afraid. I respect that. I don't go for gate-crashing. Every show I have attended with a legitimate ticket. Gate-crashing is dangerous and unfair to others.

I still feel that the wrong scapegoats were being blamed. This message did not address the real problem, which was not caused by vendors or people "attracted" by them. The real problem was that it was too big, too many people wanted in, and the vibe was overwhelming. In retrospect, too, I think there were shock waves from what was about to happen. The scene died in pace with Jerry.

When I say "out of touch" I don't mean disrespect. I have a deep and abiding love for all the signatories of that letter, all of them are magical musicians and fine people who did and do a lot for the world. Yet the band has a different vantage, necessarily isolated, from the fans, and I disagree with the way they approached this. The only people who would take such a message to heart are the people who weren't really a problem in the first place. Sometimes I disagree with a song they play too. It's okay. We can disagree without disrespecting each other.

You can insult me, but you have clearly misconstrued what I have to say, and rushed to assumptions. You might remember that you might be talking to anyone here, so you might reserve your judgment and maybe open your mind.
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gr8ful bruin
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#147120 1 year, 1 month ago
My initial reaction was to be sympathetic to tom banjo but after reading this I think he may be dangerously unhinged, delusions of grandeur and narcisism are warning signs of underlying illness.

Back in the day the dead used have huge problems with dancing restictions in SF elsewhere but that was a way of controlling the youth of the day, but if other heads think you are over doing it you probaly are. I dance hard every tiime but have never had a problem but I think the bay area is more chill with regards to he scene. The security out here knows that we are not dangerous.
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83msg1sttyme
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#147537 1 year, 1 month ago
it s not about dancing being dangerous itsabout being obnoxious,annoying your fellow concert goers and blocking the aisles,which like it or not need to be clear in case of an emergency,like i said earlier the twilers and the "wild " dancers are welcome and they always relegated themselves to the areas that wer open so they had room to do their thing without bothering anyone else,some people think a show is an excuse to have a free for all its not its a minicommunity and we all need to get along in it,this aint rocket science.as for vending ,vending to get from show to show is okay but the people who basicly show up to just sell and take money out of the community arent welcome,just like scalpers if you dont buy from them they will go away. i weap for anyone who is paying 200 bucks for a ticket,you may think its worth it too YOU but you hurt EVERYONE else when you do it.doing the right thing isnt always easy thats why evil does such a booming buisness
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Sugaree1
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#147566 1 year, 1 month ago
83msg1sttyme wrote:
it s not about dancing being dangerous itsabout being obnoxious,annoying your fellow concert goers and blocking the aisles,which like it or not need to be clear in case of an emergency,like i said earlier the twilers and the "wild " dancers are welcome and they always relegated themselves to the areas that wer open so they had room to do their thing without bothering anyone else,some people think a show is an excuse to have a free for all its not its a minicommunity and we all need to get along in it,this aint rocket science.as for vending ,vending to get from show to show is okay but the people who basicly show up to just sell and take money out of the community arent welcome,just like scalpers if you dont buy from them they will go away. i weap for anyone who is paying 200 bucks for a ticket,you may think its worth it too YOU but you hurt EVERYONE else when you do it.doing the right thing isnt always easy thats why evil does such a booming buisness


I have to ask you to let go of the ticket thing. Its not the "wrong thing" to spend your hard earned money the way you see fit. Stop acting like you are a better person than me or someone else cuz you wont Pay more than face for a ticket. That has nothing to do with being good or bad, right or wrong. I "weep" for you if you judge someone on what price they pay for a concert ticket. Im sure you realize how absurd and childish that is, right? Not trying to get nasty man, but really ive already said i buy tickets however i need to if i want to go. So everytime you make these statements i take them as you personally telling me what a horrible person i am for spending my own money how i please. Does that make sense? Do you think that is ok?
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Dstruck
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#147921 1 year, 1 month ago
Striiiiiiiiiike three.
wlewis
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148030 1 year, 1 month ago
seriously??
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gr8ful bruin
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148051 1 year, 1 month ago
I need to see a video of this freak
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Dstruck
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148118 1 year, 1 month ago
Yes indeed. 1st set. Security was kicking him out near the back door and he had the brilliant idea to run back towards the lobby. Needless to say the staff was not too happy. I went to have a cigartette outside and had a conversation with him. He tried to give me a sob story about how they were singling him out because he is Asian, but due to my diligent research I knew exactly who he was. I then informed him that he was singled out because he is an asshole. And being an asshole is the reason why he was not wanted by the beacon staff as well as the community. And i told him that his antics and behavior reflect bad on us all. What a self centered selfish motherfucker. This guy. Argh. Good job Mr. Banjo any sympathy that you were reaching for should be revoked forever. What a jerkoff
doin_that_rag
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148126 1 year, 1 month ago
coming from someone who traveled from NC had to give my thursday away and got shut out friday and saturday after waiting for hours...please play the beacon again...tonight was spectacular the sound was incredible and i had a blast...just my 2 cents i would easily make the trip up to the beacon again
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wlewis
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148152 1 year, 1 month ago
Dstruck wrote:
Yes indeed. 1st set. Security was kicking him out near the back door and he had the brilliant idea to run back towards the lobby. Needless to say the staff was not too happy. I went to have a cigartette outside and had a conversation with him. He tried to give me a sob story about how they were singling him out because he is Asian, but due to my diligent research I knew exactly who he was. I then informed him that he was singled out because he is an asshole. And being an asshole is the reason why he was not wanted by the beacon staff as well as the community. And i told him that his antics and behavior reflect bad on us all. What a self centered selfish motherfucker. This guy. Argh. Good job Mr. Banjo any sympathy that you were reaching for should be revoked forever. What a jerkoff


that's fucking great. what an idiot. must have a nice chunk of change to keep spending 75 bucks to see 30 minutes of music. what is amazing is that he doesn't learn his lesson. the worst part is that his behavior is unacceptable and he doesn't realize it, even now. i remember people grabbing him by the neck at the best buy over a year ago telling him to "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE" and that was fans, not even security.
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gvanman
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148284 1 year, 1 month ago
from what Iv'e heard, that IS fucking great! It's really hard to believe, but i do, that he got booted for a third night. Somebody please find a video of this guy. I'm at work and can't do it. I need a good laugh right about now.
kevin
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BREAKING NEWS-TOM BANJO ARRIVES AT THE BEACON !!!

#148312 1 year, 1 month ago
Dstruck
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148320 1 year, 1 month ago
One other interesting tidbit from my conversation with him was that he said he got kicked while he was dancing in the handicapped accessible seats. He said that he bought his handicapped ticket for face outside the venue that night. Sounds like yet another tall tale. But I could be wrong haha.
McGanahanSkjellyfetti
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148380 1 year, 1 month ago
Sugaree1 wrote:
83msg1sttyme wrote:
it s not about dancing being dangerous itsabout being obnoxious,annoying your fellow concert goers and blocking the aisles,which like it or not need to be clear in case of an emergency,like i said earlier the twilers and the "wild " dancers are welcome and they always relegated themselves to the areas that wer open so they had room to do their thing without bothering anyone else,some people think a show is an excuse to have a free for all its not its a minicommunity and we all need to get along in it,this aint rocket science.as for vending ,vending to get from show to show is okay but the people who basicly show up to just sell and take money out of the community arent welcome,just like scalpers if you dont buy from them they will go away. i weap for anyone who is paying 200 bucks for a ticket,you may think its worth it too YOU but you hurt EVERYONE else when you do it.doing the right thing isnt always easy thats why evil does such a booming buisness


I have to ask you to let go of the ticket thing. Its not the "wrong thing" to spend your hard earned money the way you see fit. Stop acting like you are a better person than me or someone else cuz you wont Pay more than face for a ticket. That has nothing to do with being good or bad, right or wrong. I "weep" for you if you judge someone on what price they pay for a concert ticket. Im sure you realize how absurd and childish that is, right? Not trying to get nasty man, but really ive already said i buy tickets however i need to if i want to go. So everytime you make these statements i take them as you personally telling me what a horrible person i am for spending my own money how i please. Does that make sense? Do you think that is ok?


This thread was supposed to be about Furthur's not playing the Beacon. I have my opinions on that, and I say take the shows back to MSG. I saw some interesting happenings last night. For example how was the nitrous mafia thriving outside the 72nd St. subway station, on the north side of 72nd. That is city property, and right out in the open. After their little party there were balloons strewn all over the little plaza where they'd been. I may be straying from the subject, although I have to wonder how this was happening, and no cops around? At the very least they're vending on city property without what I'd guess is no vendors license.

Now how this ties in with ticket scalping is if you support scalpers, they continue to thrive. If you support the nitrous mafia you allow them to contiune to thrive, and they care nothing about this community other than taking your hard earned cash.
The nitrous mafia doesn't care if there are any more shows at the Beacon, and from what I saw I'd say the local neighborhood is going to frown up our presence there, as we allow the nitrous people to continue to thrive. And for the record I like nitrous, but didn't like what I saw last night, and I won't support them.

It's quite simple, if you don't like something, don't support it, as oftentimes it's something that doesn't help our scene. It's not a personal attack, it's just the way it is.
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McGanahanSkjellyfetti
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Re: GUYS YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE BEACON

#148383 1 year, 1 month ago
Tom Banjo wrote:
furthur640 wrote:
I can not believe someone got kicked out for dancing, I was there both nights and will be there tonight and i danced at my seat no problem, has not been my favorite spot on the last few tours. Not to be rude but i did here one person talking about being kicked out for dancing,but that was the same guy from the first night that was running around outside the beacon screaming how he ate to much acid and he was so fucked up, taunting the Security guards at the back door, I see this guy at local nyc shows wigjam or reflections and he is always a mess. So i don't know im not gonna say furthur should not play there. I'm sorry that happened to you man I had a blast so much fun killer scarlet>fire


Ha! Furthur640... I am a much better dancer than you and I am in more control that you are, and I am loved more than you ever will be. If you can see me at shows and come off with the opinion that you have, then you got some serious problems pal. I am freidns with both bands you mentioned and both bands have told me how much I inspire them... that is because I don't miss a beat! I know the music better than you ever will. I understand the music better than you ever will. By the things you say, I can only imagine that you are a fake dead head. BTW, the security guards whom I was supposed hassling were actually buddies of mine and I was joking every time I passed them. And the security at near the smoking section respected me too, because I did not try to get back in. And when the show was over, they told me this! If fact, I had a real good time hanging with my friends in the back... I have more friends in this circle than you have in life pal! SO for you to come out with such a bad view of me only speaks poorly of yourself. People know that I dance well, that I am ever loving... and are you harshing on me for going around telling people I love them. Well I can tell you that I get 2-3 shows per week and every show I go to whether large scale or local, people come up to me and tell me how much I have made them smile, or how much I rock etc... NO one but your stupid ass, has ever given me negativity! Maybe you should to listen to Duran Duran or Culture Club bro, because we got no room for you at the shows no more... we only have room for loving dead heads and hippies. As stupid as you are dude, I love you too and there aint nothing you can do about that!


You have more friends in this circle than someone else? It's obvious you're building on your list of friends here on this board.
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